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P11958
/wbg/ Web Browsers General
Mon 2022-09-19 20:35:34
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Thread dedicated to discussing web browsers.
>What browser do you recommended for daily use?
It all depends on your threat model and use case.
For security, use '''Chromium''' as it has better exploit mitigations and more mature sandboxing than Firefox. Note that most Linux distros weaken Chromium's exploit mitigations in their packages so it's probably safer to use '''Thorium''' (
https://github.com/Alex313031/Thorium
) instead. '''Ungoogled Chromium''' is '''not''' recommended as it's patches degrade security (
https://qua3k.github.io/ungoogled/
).
For privacy, use '''Mozilla Firefox''' with the arkenfox user.js (
https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js
). Alternatively, use '''LibreWolf''' which hardens Firefox by default but has slower updates. Note that these browsers cannot make you anonymous as your browser configuration is certainly unique and fingerprintable, nor are they as secure as Chromium. By using Firefox and installing a few extensions you like, you are sacrificing some security for convenience.
For anonymity, use the ''Tor browser''' on the safest level.
>What extensions do you recommend?
It's a good idea not to install any browser extensions since they have privileged access within your browser, require you to trust the developer, weaken site isolation, and make you more fingerprintable. Only install what you need and limit yourself to as few as possible.
uBlock Origin:
https://ublockorigin.com/
LibRedirect:
https://libredirect.github.io/
Vim Vixen:
https://ueokande.github.io/vim-vixen/
Stylus:
https://github.com/openstyles/stylus
Dark Background and Light Text:
https://github.com/m-khvoinitsky/dark-background-light-text-extension
RSSPreview:
https://github.com/aureliendavid/rsspreview
>Browser Comparisons
https://privacytests.org/
http://zsxjtsgzborzdllyp64c6pwnjz5eic76bsksbxzqefzogwcydnkjy3yd.onion/browsers.xhtml
https://digdeeper.club/articles/browsers.xhtml
https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.html
>General Tips
* Common fingerprinting factors and defenses:
http://gpvdip7rd7bdy5gf7scl3rzgzgzckqw4sqxbmy6g3zijfwu4lz3ypbyd.onion/Personal/blogs/http_fp_en.html
* How to disable JIT on your browsers:
https://lemmy.eus/post/7660
* You also want to disable/block WebAssembly
* Do not grant websites any permissions and block all new requests asking for access to your microphone, camera, etc.
* Block third-party cookies and clear all cookies, history, and site data on exit
* Block JavaScript by default
* Set your default search to a SearXNG, Whoogle, or LibreX instance that isn't Cloudflared
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Mon 2022-09-19 20:53:51
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I do love Ungoogled Chromium, fastest startup (compared to Brave and Firefox)
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Tue 2022-09-20 06:56:18
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>It's a good idea not to install any browser extensions
uBlock and uMatrix are absolutely necessary on normiweb. I don't know how anyone can handle all those blinking windows
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Tue 2022-09-20 08:12:44
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>blinking windows
Do you mean animated ads? Or something else?
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Tue 2022-09-20 15:23:04
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Adblocking isn't necessary on normiweb and doesn't add privacy. It is a form of enumerating badness and purely convenience. By using these extensions, disabling JS, and blocking ads and scripts, you are making yourself
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privacy. If you want to effectively prevent tracking (besides using Tor browser), use a VPN, block third-party cookies, and clear all browsing data on exit. Only use browsers which support site isolation (Chromium, Firefox, and most browsers based on those) and data isolation (partitioning of third-party storage).
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Tue 2022-09-20 17:00:17
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>you are making yourself
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and effectively
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privacy
True if you're browsing with JS disabled. If you're letting everyone execute JS like the average Internet user, then denying that privilege to the admen probably gives less information about yourself than letting them run their spy scripts. What you say about the ad blocking lists being a form of enumerating badness is still true though; not all admen will be on the list. But you can use uBlock and uMatrix as whitelists also.
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Tue 2022-09-20 18:04:29
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That's what I meant, indeed. It's not a problem I encounter on my PC (thanks to the aforementioned tools), but it drives me crazy whenever I have to use someone else's computer. I feel like it's becoming worse from one year to the other too, but it might just me being less tolerant.
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I didn't claim it adds privacy. It is obviously better to disable javascript altogether, but it isn't always an option.
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Tue 2022-09-20 18:15:22
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The only true way to prevent browser tracking and have privacy on the internet is to use Google Chrome on Windows 11. Do not install any extensions. Do not change any settings.
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Tue 2022-09-20 22:46:35
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>disable javascript altogether
Then, you will get "please enable javascript" error
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Wed 2022-09-21 07:30:53
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Hence "but it isn't always an option"
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Fri 2022-09-23 18:55:53
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>yet another browser autism threads
Do we really need more of these? Can we please discuss something on /tech/ that isn't Tor or a browser?
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Fri 2022-09-23 19:41:20
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But we do. Why did you feel the need to bump this thread?
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Recommended browsers for general, non-anonymous browsing
Mon 2022-09-26 23:44:56
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General rules:
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only use Chromium browsers and do not install any extensions.
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1. Microsoft Edge
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- It is the only browser for Windows that natively supports hardware isolation as it can utilize Microsoft Defender Application Guard (MDAG)[1]. It also has a hardened security mode[2] which disables JIT among other things. It is not the privacy nightmare that FOSS purists make it out to be as most telemetry can be disabled.
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2. Google Chrome
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- It sets the standard for security and being upstream Chromium, is always the first to receive Security updates. It also uses the new Manifest V3 which restricts capabilities of privileged extensions and will deprecate V2 as extensions like uBlock Origin[3] pose a huge security risk. These changes are good for privacy and security whereas privileged ad blockers are not. You have the power to disable telemetry in Chrome and can monitor the connections it makes using tools like Wireshark. You can also block JavaScript and unblock on a per-site basis.
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3. Brave
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- It comes with many privacy features by default including fingerprinting protection and ad blocking, but it doesn't receive new updates as quickly as Chrome or Edge which means it is less secure. Brave is good for those who do not want to view ads, but Chrome and Edge will always be better for security and privacy.
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4. Firefox
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- It does provide excellent privacy with features like first-party isolation and fingerprinting protection, but it is far less secure than Chromium-based browsers[4] as it's sandboxing, site isolation, and exploit mitigations are outclassed by Chromium's. Firefox does not allow disabling JavaScript except through about:config and blocking/unblocking JavaScript on a per-site basis requires a privileged extension.
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[1]
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/threat-protection/microsoft-defender-application-guard/md-app-guard-overview
[2]
https://microsoftedge.github.io/edgevr/posts/Introducing-Enhanced-Security-for-Microsoft-Edge/
[3]
https://portswigger.net/research/ublock-i-exfiltrate-exploiting-ad-blockers-with-css
[4]
https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.html
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Mon 2022-09-26 23:47:53
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LOL, tech advice from anonymous sources, when you don't already know the answer to your question:
Not
Even
Once.
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Tue 2022-09-27 00:16:17
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Wed 2022-09-28 15:28:08
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Fri 2022-09-30 20:54:16
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Tired of being MITMed and phished when you try to connect to the WiFi at coffee shops? Microsoft Edge can help with that! Introducing a new feature that securely MITMs all your traffic through trustworthy Cloudflare.
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/articles/introducing-microsoft-edge-secure-network/m-p/3367243
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Fri 2022-11-11 08:53:14
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>
https://github.com/Alex313031/Thorium
nevah heard of dat fork before...
honestly I would rather use Brave over ungoogled chromium as it has "features" backed in. you would have to install uBlock to disable WebRTC on chromium but brave has option to disable non-proxied-udp or whateva
> LibRedirect:
https://libredirect.github.io/
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Dank addon here
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c00mer
Fri 2022-11-11 09:28:24
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> Vim Vixen:
https://ueokande.github.io/vim-vixen/
For me its
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Vicky Vixen
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!
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https://nitter.net/kobyme
Sat 2022-11-12 22:34:41
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P11958
How do I disable WebAssembly in Chrome browsers?
--js-flags="--noexpose_wasm" ???
or does that not work do I have to do all these:
--disable-webassembly-baseline
--disable-webassembly-lazy-compilation
--disable-webassembly-simd
--disable-webassembly-threads
--disable-webassembly-tiering
Also and what about these?
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Disable WebGL?
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--disable-webgl
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Don't send hyperlink auditing pings
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--no-pings
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Don't send HTTP-Referer headers.
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--no-referrers
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Disable Cache
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--disk-cache=size=0
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Aggressive Cache Discard
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--aggressive-cache-discard
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Force low-end device mode when set to increases performance
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--enable-low-end-device-mode
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Mon 2022-11-14 02:45:46
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[bold:
chrome =
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SeCuRiTy
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firefox =
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PrIvAcY
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Mon 2022-11-14 03:56:38
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so hot just failed nofap
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Mon 2022-11-14 06:21:25
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muh, this bloke is way hotter. I failed no fingering fridays.
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Mon 2022-11-14 07:43:21
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>I failed no fingering fridays.
historical fag fingers his butthole, who whould have thought?
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Mon 2022-11-14 09:36:56
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Chrome haz Site Isolation
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> Site Isolation is a security feature in Chrome that offers additional protection against some types of security bugs. It uses Chrome's sandbox to make it harder for untrustworthy websites to access or steal information from your accounts on other websites.
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Chrome Manifest V3
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is extremely based though
https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/migrating_to_manifest_v3
https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/issues/338
https://blockthrough.com/blog/will-manifest-v3-break-adblocking-extensions/
P22542
Chromium really is SEXure
Fri 2022-12-16 21:57:47
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God Tier:
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Compile your own Chromium from source with all tracking and antifeatures removed
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Top Tier:
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Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge
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High Tier:
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Brave
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Mid Tier:
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Firefox, Tor Browser
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Low Tier:
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Pre-compiled Chromium builds (including Ungoogled Chromium), LibreWolf
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Shit Tier:
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All other browsers
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Sat 2022-12-17 00:09:25
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Actually, Chrome is not that bad you just need extensions to stay private. Firefox takes more RAM.
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Sat 2022-12-17 00:31:58
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Support Free Speech use ChRoMiuM
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Chromium and free speech, how is that relatable?
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Sat 2022-12-17 01:32:17
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Here at Google, we take your free speech very seriously.
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Sun 2022-12-18 00:01:41
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>Here at Google, we take your free speech very seriously
As long as we approve of what you say
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In-Q-tel = Google
Sun 2022-12-18 03:43:11
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https://iteroni.com/watch?v=cFjXYkUu9bg
https://iteroni.com/watch?v=7j3iRtTHFr0
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Sun 2022-12-18 03:48:05
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